Ride til we Rot

Ride til we Rot and Party til we Drop

Are we a nation of sheep? Do we have to blindly follow whatever our legislators decide? If you, like me, are fed up with being discriminated against for being a SMOKER, then the time to do something about it is here! Support the campaign to modify the blanket smoking ban and re-introduce smoke rooms in pubs etc. There ARE a lot of us, we CAN make a difference!

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I don't smoke but I do agree that we are slowly losing control of our lives to governments who want to herd all people to congested cities so that if one person is offended by something then all must give up a right. Slowly and without noticing we have lost the freedom to live as we please where we please. The days when a family could live seperate of society, raise their own food and live off the land the Good Lord provided have all gone. Nowhere in our country can you hunt for your food or fish without governments permission to do so. Even if you "own" the land you must pay taxes to own it so do you really or does the gvmt? Eventually health care will only be available in large cities so people will move closer and become easier to manage. I believe motorcycle riders to be critical in the fight to remain independant of national and international laws restricting our freedon to choose for ourselfs. While almost everyone proclaims to love their freedom most put up no resistance when it's taken away in the name of political correcctness or for the greater good. Good for who?
I agree wholeheartedly Gary. Australian bike clubs are putting aside their differences to unite politically to fight anti-biker legislation - perhaps we should move in this direction too, and start 'The Freedom Party'!

Gary L Roberts said:
I don't smoke but I do agree that we are slowly losing control of our lives to governments who want to herd all people to congested cities so that if one person is offended by something then all must give up a right. Slowly and without noticing we have lost the freedom to live as we please where we please. The days when a family could live seperate of society, raise their own food and live off the land the Good Lord provided have all gone. Nowhere in our country can you hunt for your food or fish without governments permission to do so. Even if you "own" the land you must pay taxes to own it so do you really or does the gvmt? Eventually health care will only be available in large cities so people will move closer and become easier to manage. I believe motorcycle riders to be critical in the fight to remain independant of national and international laws restricting our freedon to choose for ourselfs. While almost everyone proclaims to love their freedom most put up no resistance when it's taken away in the name of political correcctness or for the greater good. Good for who?
this IS my attempt to get the ball rolling, i've also got it on other networking sites but it don't seem to get much reaction - latest figures here show 70% smoked in 1962 and it's down to 21% now. The anti-smoking campaign is due to World Health Organization directive. I don't know how to start a petition but realise it will need publicity on the most popular sites if it's to stand a chance of success, i'll think about getting it going on facebook - any ideas will be gratefully recieved!

Jacquelin (First Lady NZ) said:
Well i'm a smoker and i throughly enjoy smoking naughty me i know lol. I have to agree for goodness sake let us smoke in the pubs and clubs again. I have to agree with Gary we are losing our freedom. Our stupid government over here in NZ want to ban the sell of smokes by 2020 and the ASH lot will agree with that our bet is that they haven't thought about where the government are going to get all their tax money from if they do that i know that they will raise the tax on our wages and everything else. Bad enough that the cost of registering your bike over here has gone up due to ACC levy's. So i say let us smoke where ever we please there's nothing like sitting down at your favourite watering hole and having a drink or twenty and having a smoke. Start a petition i will sign it.
Damn Gary you make a good stand on this -I do not smoke either ,but you hit the nail on the head and I agree whole heartedly...great comment

Nifty said:
I agree wholeheartedly Gary. Australian bike clubs are putting aside their differences to unite politically to fight anti-biker legislation - perhaps we should move in this direction too, and start 'The Freedom Party'!

Gary L Roberts said:
I don't smoke but I do agree that we are slowly losing control of our lives to governments who want to herd all people to congested cities so that if one person is offended by something then all must give up a right. Slowly and without noticing we have lost the freedom to live as we please where we please. The days when a family could live seperate of society, raise their own food and live off the land the Good Lord provided have all gone. Nowhere in our country can you hunt for your food or fish without governments permission to do so. Even if you "own" the land you must pay taxes to own it so do you really or does the gvmt? Eventually health care will only be available in large cities so people will move closer and become easier to manage. I believe motorcycle riders to be critical in the fight to remain independant of national and international laws restricting our freedon to choose for ourselfs. While almost everyone proclaims to love their freedom most put up no resistance when it's taken away in the name of political correcctness or for the greater good. Good for who?
I agree at my work the insurance mandates that smokers pay $10.00 U.S. per week for that privilege taken out of their check and told the nonsmokers that we were getting a discount by not paying the $10.00 -where is the discount there --they think we all are so stupid...and by the way there is no smoking allowed on their property ...It's we the people loosing our rights ...Look out next it will be the jack booted thugs of the United Nations kicking our doors down ...what say you ?

Nifty said:
this IS my attempt to get the ball rolling, i've also got it on other networking sites but it don't seem to get much reaction - latest figures here show 70% smoked in 1962 and it's down to 21% now. The anti-smoking campaign is due to World Health Organization directive. I don't know how to start a petition but realise it will need publicity on the most popular sites if it's to stand a chance of success, i'll think about getting it going on facebook - any ideas will be gratefully recieved!

Jacquelin (First Lady NZ) said:
Well i'm a smoker and i throughly enjoy smoking naughty me i know lol. I have to agree for goodness sake let us smoke in the pubs and clubs again. I have to agree with Gary we are losing our freedom. Our stupid government over here in NZ want to ban the sell of smokes by 2020 and the ASH lot will agree with that our bet is that they haven't thought about where the government are going to get all their tax money from if they do that i know that they will raise the tax on our wages and everything else. Bad enough that the cost of registering your bike over here has gone up due to ACC levy's. So i say let us smoke where ever we please there's nothing like sitting down at your favourite watering hole and having a drink or twenty and having a smoke. Start a petition i will sign it.
I think things may have gone even further in the states red dog, with things like fema camps etc. I listened very carefully to baraks state of the nation address and was heartened to hear of greater control of the banks, in fact i was in accord with most of what he said apart from building more nuclear stations since they're not cost effective and build even greater problems for the future. Not sure how far i can trust his words tho' since he's got to have deep insider knowledge to achieve his current position. What i say is that perhaps it is time for us bikers to get political beyond just voting or not voting if we want to protect our freedom to ride. Some of you are fighting to keep your right to arms, over here it's now a criminal offense to have a knife in public, even a pocket knife, let alone a gun. We have to remove our helmets when paying for gas so that the cameras can see our face, kids get thrown out of stores for wearing hoods yet muslims can cover up completely and no one's allowed to complain!
As bikers, we may well be a minority, but we're a substantial minority, certainly big enough to swing the balance of things if we can all put aside our differences and unite in the cause of freedom!
i only smoke now and again ,but agree with people why should we be a nation of sheep,being told that we cant smoke in pubs ect ect,whats it going to be next no smoking in your car , house ect ect.its about time the powers that be should realise that an election is iminent!!,also they want to remember bikers are voters to.does george orwell 1984 spring to mind
Like everything the last Government did ( Thank god they have been slung out !!). This legislation was for the benefit of a minority of loud mouthed , malcontented hypocrits that just spend their lives desperate to be offended by something or someone so they can play the wounded bleeding heart !.
I smoke very very rarely , and when I do it's a big Churchill cigar that takes about 4 hours to go down. I am disgusted that it can be seen as even remotely reasonable to have human beings standing outside in all winds and weathers just to have a quick smoke.. As you may gather I don't even entertain the idea of going to a pub with a cigar ..as 4 hours in a blizzard ain't my idea of fun !!
This short sighted bit of contemptible legislation has seriously damaged the pub trade, that is evidenced by pubs closing at an alarming rate on a weekly basis. And the worst of it is , the pubs that are closing are the sort of places the prim and proper , oh so easily bloody offended brigade , who were the inspiration for this pile of draconian fascism, would never dare to set foot !.
The "Proper" pub with proper beers , no flaming juke box, where you could talk amongst like minded , real , down to earth people.. Those who had lived and worked a hard life.. Not the plastic fantastic, shallow tossers in the uber plastic , sterile drinking barns of today..

I support the repealing of the smoking ban. It is a gross erosion of liberty by some spineless, faceless oily little bureaucrat..Pandering to the minority opinions of people I don't like , don't trust and know wouldn't have the balls to defend the rites and liberties of this country if they were threatened like my, and I am sure , many of our grandparents did in the last wars.
This . like many pieces of crap legislation imposed by the last Government , is simply pandering to minority groups. Well the answer to them is clear : You don't like it ..then fucking move ..or better still bolt your front door and never offend the rest of us with your miserable presence again !!

Rant over
Well said Gary!
One point though, this legislation is standard throughout the western world and imposed on government by the World Health Organisation. I recently took a ride to Amsterdam and was gratified to see the Dutch have retained smoking rooms in clubs, pubs and bars - I see no reason why we can't do the same.
The attack on smokers is not over yet, in the pipeline is legislation to prevent smoking in doorways and even private vehicles! We really need to become pro-active against this discriminatory legislation so that you can again enjoy your cigar in public in the company of like minded individuals!

Andy Stinton said:
Like everything the last Government did ( Thank god they have been slung out !!). This legislation was for the benefit of a minority of loud mouthed , malcontented hypocrits that just spend their lives desperate to be offended by something or someone so they can play the wounded bleeding heart !.
I smoke very very rarely , and when I do it's a big Churchill cigar that takes about 4 hours to go down. I am disgusted that it can be seen as even remotely reasonable to have human beings standing outside in all winds and weathers just to have a quick smoke.. As you may gather I don't even entertain the idea of going to a pub with a cigar ..as 4 hours in a blizzard ain't my idea of fun !!
This short sighted bit of contemptible legislation has seriously damaged the pub trade, that is evidenced by pubs closing at an alarming rate on a weekly basis. And the worst of it is , the pubs that are closing are the sort of places the prim and proper , oh so easily bloody offended brigade , who were the inspiration for this pile of draconian fascism, would never dare to set foot !.
The "Proper" pub with proper beers , no flaming juke box, where you could talk amongst like minded , real , down to earth people.. Those who had lived and worked a hard life.. Not the plastic fantastic, shallow tossers in the uber plastic , sterile drinking barns of today..

I support the repealing of the smoking ban. It is a gross erosion of liberty by some spineless, faceless oily little bureaucrat..Pandering to the minority opinions of people I don't like , don't trust and know wouldn't have the balls to defend the rites and liberties of this country if they were threatened like my, and I am sure , many of our grandparents did in the last wars.
This . like many pieces of crap legislation imposed by the last Government , is simply pandering to minority groups. Well the answer to them is clear : You don't like it ..then fucking move ..or better still bolt your front door and never offend the rest of us with your miserable presence again !!

Rant over
The way it has affected me has been minimal.
My favourite watering has become my back-garden (50p a pint is better then £3 anyday, and I get my choice of music).

Any pub that wants to let punters smoke can, declaring themselves to be a private club.

The WMCs can do the same by excluding non-members from rooms where smoking is allowed. A few have but most haven't.

There are plenty of rural pubs that close the doors and bring out the ashtrays come 'closing time'.

How have the rallies I attend been affected?
They have either become 'advance ticket only' or have left one side of the beer tent open, ideally 6 inches from a wind-break.

Fair enough, I agree with the original general point.
But if the government rode rough-shod over your wishes in the first place, what makes you think that they listen to your opinions now?

To get the ban removed you would need some heavy-hitters.
It should be the pub industry applying pressure, they're the ones that will reap the financial gain.

Certain laws should be ignored or side-stepped whenever possible.
My ethos also Manfred, like the nike slogan says 'just do it' :-)

Manfred said:
The way it has affected me has been minimal.
My favourite watering has become my back-garden (50p a pint is better then £3 anyday, and I get my choice of music).

Any pub that wants to let punters smoke can, declaring themselves to be a private club.

The WMCs can do the same by excluding non-members from rooms where smoking is allowed. A few have but most haven't.

There are plenty of rural pubs that close the doors and bring out the ashtrays come 'closing time'.

How have the rallies I attend been affected?
They have either become 'advance ticket only' or have left one side of the beer tent open, ideally 6 inches from a wind-break.

Fair enough, I agree with the original general point.
But if the government rode rough-shod over your wishes in the first place, what makes you think that they listen to your opinions now?

To get the ban removed you would need some heavy-hitters.
It should be the pub industry applying pressure, they're the ones that will reap the financial gain.

Certain laws should be ignored or side-stepped whenever possible.
The Freedom Party..... now thats a great idea, granted that here in the USA we seem to enjoy more rights than people in other countries, but they are being stolen away from us at an alarming rate by misguided beaurocrats who feel they know whats best for everyone..Well i'm sorry to tell them that they don't. I think that all politions worldwide need to keep their collective noses to themselves and let us live the way we want; i'll keep my smokes, my guns, and everything else they think is bad for me but yet i do so enjoy!!!!!!!!!

Nifty said:
I agree wholeheartedly Gary. Australian bike clubs are putting aside their differences to unite politically to fight anti-biker legislation - perhaps we should move in this direction too, and start 'The Freedom Party'!

Gary L Roberts said:
I don't smoke but I do agree that we are slowly losing control of our lives to governments who want to herd all people to congested cities so that if one person is offended by something then all must give up a right. Slowly and without noticing we have lost the freedom to live as we please where we please. The days when a family could live seperate of society, raise their own food and live off the land the Good Lord provided have all gone. Nowhere in our country can you hunt for your food or fish without governments permission to do so. Even if you "own" the land you must pay taxes to own it so do you really or does the gvmt? Eventually health care will only be available in large cities so people will move closer and become easier to manage. I believe motorcycle riders to be critical in the fight to remain independant of national and international laws restricting our freedon to choose for ourselfs. While almost everyone proclaims to love their freedom most put up no resistance when it's taken away in the name of political correcctness or for the greater good. Good for who?

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